It's certainly the least confrontational, and on this occasion I have to agree with him. Though I also agree with the other poster, who said that Saints need to field their youngsters less than Wigan, because their first line is stronger.

Whilst I agree we were poor it's impossible to judge a game on 4 minutes of "highlights"

Or a coach on two years of lowlights?

I'm late to the party, but totally agree with Hogan.



It's so boring watching us play week-in, week-out. I realised against Warrington away, that if a team makes all their tackles against us we will lose as we have no invention to open up the line and create space for runners. Take out Sam T and Gaz Hock, the only two who have any air of magic about them and we are screwed. I go misty eyed at the thought of Barrett wearing the No. 6 jersey!



Was talking to my Dad during the game and we both agreed that [ievery[/i team in the league plays better rugby than us. No shape, no moves, no invention. All we do is hope for the best that something will come off in the game. Watching Quins blast KR away the night before by playing an absolutely perfect game of RL just made Saturday even worse. We define mediocre at the moment.

Cruncher

it wasn't my intention to blame the chairman solely for the state of the team, more to point out the need for "root and branch" reform. I don't know enough about him to be any more specific.

I do think he presides over a culture of mediocrity at the moment. Whether he finds it acceptable and whether he'll do anything about it only time will tell.

So are Gidley, Lyon, Barrett, Fielden (when you signed him), Webb, King, Rauhihi, Puletua, Menzies etc not top talent then?







See above.







The problem is simple. Your forwards aren't good/consistent enough. You spent all that money on Barrett, Riddell, Roberts, Smith, Feka, Pryce and Gleeson when what you really needed was at least two decent prop forwards to help out Fielden, Hock and O'Loughlin. Basically, you haven't scratched were it itches!!!!

That is exactly the same for me. Used to be really excited on friday dinnertime leaving work, getiing ready for the match in the evening. Now I just look forward to watching all the NRL games, and basically go through the motions of watching SL out of habit

Not those 2 anyway!

More to the subject I have stood by Noble throughout his tenure but now I am starting to think maybe he has lost the dressing room and in that case maybe it's time to go. There are 2 options



1- He goes now so that Kearney can be flown over straight away and start coaching the team when they come back from their jollies with Vievers, Forshaw going too and Hampson appointed as conditioner, Farrell offered assistant coach if he knocks us back offer it to Wane. We would also benefit with having Hanley involved somehow. If Farrell was given the assistant coaches role I would want him running on the pitch giving out instruction. If not then Hanley doing it.



If we did this we would see an immediate turnaround and maybe go on a winning run and win the cup with a decent play off run. Consistency, pride, passion and desire to win would be required and the appointed staff would instill that.



Add to that we would stand a good chance of signing currnet NZ players so a prop e.g. Adam Blair / Sam Rapira could be on the cards as would a halfback / stand off also the players eligible for NZ would improve ten fold. I know some players refuse to sign for teams due to the coach of that team and with Kearney workiing under Bennett and Bellamy I think he would be the most viable option mid season without paying a transfer fee.



2- We carry on as we are untill the end of the season with Noble offered a 1 year deal if we get to Wembley but if players want rid of Noble would they want to win him a contract? I think not.





Option 1 is looking rather tempting I'm sorry to say.

The worm has turned.

I have to agree also although I still support our current coach till he goes which IMO he will soon enough.

I just don't understand how player's attitudes can be bad. If you walk out on training or back chat you should be disciplined. If i walked out of work or chatted back i get disciplined it is a job at the end of the day.



Noble is the players boss what he says goes. IL is Noble and the player's boss and what he says goes. If any player is disruptive and walks out on training or anything like that they should be disciplined. It's a job, they are not fulfilling a contract. If you don't like it F*ck off.



Lots of fans would give anything to player for Wigan (not because its Wigan but because its the home town club). Yet performances we see are awful and need to be acted upon. Not with harder training, IL should write it into contracts poor effort and enthusiasm towards their job puts them in a position to be disciplined either with reduction in pay or a strike system, 3 strikes and your contract becomes null and void. Fed up of seeing and hearing about bad performances not due to lack of talent or skill due to not giving a toss.



People say Karl Pryce has bags of talent yet no effort. If he doesn't want to be hear sack him. Lets start taking a stance. Any players who are bad mouthing the club and causing disruption should be sacked.





I'd rather see a team of players who want to be hear and have a positive attitude towards this the club and sport i love but do not perform not so well But they will once they train harder and they will as they love the club and want to succeed.

I agree, but as highlighted earlier, the CC effectively prevents you from doing this, or at the very least makes the consequences of doing so much harder to bear.