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| Quote thepriestman85="thepriestman85"You can’t judge Hock on how he played back then as simply it’s a different Wigan.
Let’s face it we all heard some horror stories about the discipline and poor training methods in those pre Madge days and we only need to look at how Piggy transformed his game with some tough love to realise how much Madge works with the players in training and how good of a COACH he is. Simply all of our players are now better because they’ve been coached by Madge; guys like Coley and Fielden could be different people for the worlds of difference they’ve shown under Madge. Guys like Hansen, Gouulding, Joel and Lockers are defiantly, 100% better players, all make less errors and have all really kicked on under his guidance. I’d happily sit here and argue that Hock is the most naturally talented out of all of them and I’m very excited to see what Madge can do with him.
Exciting times to see how it works out.'"
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| Quote thepriestman85="thepriestman85"You can’t judge Hock on how he played back then as simply it’s a different Wigan.'"
Of course you can, Hock played the same game under a number of coaches. He's a talented lad and a hell of an athlete, but he's never been an intelligent footballer. The point being made is not that he doesn't have talent, which he has in spades or that the new coaching regime haven't improved certain players - they have. The biggest ask for me is if Hock can develop his game to fit into the current gameplan as his natural style is some way outside it. |
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| the same could have been said about lockers , penalty machine etc , look at him now
fact is its up to the players , if they want to stay and play , they need to conform
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| Quote JTB="JTB"Of course you can, Hock played the same game under a number of coaches. He's a talented lad and a hell of an athlete, but he's never been an intelligent footballer. The point being made is not that he doesn't have talent, which he has in spades or that the new coaching regime haven't improved certain players - they have. The biggest ask for me is if Hock can develop his game to fit into the current gameplan as his natural style is some way outside it.'"
I agree with most of this. The big question for me is whether Hock can step back up to the plate.
As for his ban, well imo it was a hell of a ban for recreational drug use that wasn't about trying to gain an advantage on the field. As far as I am concerned there is no issue with his past whatsoever. |
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| Quote JTB="JTB"Of course you can, Hock played the same game under a number of coaches. He's a talented lad and a hell of an athlete, but he's never been an intelligent footballer. The point being made is not that he doesn't have talent, which he has in spades or that the new coaching regime haven't improved certain players - they have. The biggest ask for me is if Hock can develop his game to fit into the current gameplan as his natural style is some way outside it.'"
I think there are two separate points. Back in the dark days of Millward & Noble, we had no coaching towards support play, so there was rarely anyone there to take advantage of his offloads. Even back then I always said we needed an Edwards to be backing him up. That has changed.
I agree he'll need to be more selective about when he does it, but that can be coached into him, I'm confident, and more crucially, the current coaching staff have the ability to put in place a support tactic to have someone always on his shoulder - much as Leeds try to do with Lauititi, or Wire with Solomona. |
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Someone like Sam could have a field day running off the shoulder of Hock - much like Radders used to do off Andy Farrell.
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It may take some time but he's a natural talent - sooner or later he'll be an automatic choice for the 17.
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| Quote two eyed wiganer="two eyed wiganer"Just seen Hock in dominos pizza in pottery road looks plenty big enough to play prop.'"
If he is back in training today, what on earth was he doing in Dominos the night before he is about to train for Madge for the first time?!   |
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| Quote seaneol="seaneol"If he is back in training today, what on earth was he doing in Dominos the night before he is about to train for Madge for the first time?!
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Perhaps he was hungry? |
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| Quote seaneol="seaneol"If he is back in training today, what on earth was he doing in Dominos the night before he is about to train for Madge for the first time?!
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Why not?
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| Quote Tricky Dicky="Tricky Dicky"The club were seeking clearance for him to start training again with the club this week, does anyone know if they have been successfull?'"
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