You don't have to have an extraordinary run like the one Saints have enjoyed to become a 'big' or 'famous' club. Throughout the era when the Pies were buying their long cup run Saints were known for being the enternal runners-up, always the bridesmaid etc. Saints shook that off in the SL era. If you go back to the late 60s Castleford became really famous on the back of the odd trophy success when their old 'High Speed Cas' slogan ( a pun on the Gas Board's advertsing campaign) caught the public's imagination. Winning two or three trophies over 5 years is easily enough to put a club right in the vanguard of the sport now. That's good, because it's much better for the game if the honours are spread around.

If you look at the parameters for the superleague full professional era:-



1 League Positions 2 League Attendances 3 Cup Final Appearances 4 Silverware 5 International Honours



Not yet.

One step at a time grasshoppers. How about you overtake the likes of Hull FC in the "big club" stakes before you even think of comparing yourself to St Helens.

No.

I think we are bigger than Hull FC

Realistically nothing more than you achieved at KR in the 2000s. It's like Wigan winning all those trophies at Central Park in the late 80s and 90s, I bet they were salivating at the thought of how dominant they would be in the better facilities of the JJB.....



Warrington lifted up in the new stadium because it took us from a place when we were a club who couldn't afford to spend up to the salary cap and were low down the food chain of where players wanted to go to, in the new stadium we were different. But Saints were spending up to the salary cap and were always signing top players even at Knowsley Road.



Don't get me wrong it will be good for the club and it will secure the clubs future, to get good facilities, but don't expect Saints to suddenly skyrocket ahead of Leeds and start winning all the trophies again. I think that being realistic Saints are entering a new era when they are going to be less successful than the era in the immediate past, although I think they will handle it better than Wigan and Bradford did ie I can't see Saints having a big fall from grace like they did. For most of the past decade Saints were the no1 team in the country even if they didn't always win all the trophies, things have changed now and tightened at the top. You can see it's a new era by Saints appointing Royce Simmons as coach for next year, he would never have been considered as Saints coach a few years back.

Add widnes cabinet to that also lol.I know we are in the championship now but we can hold our head up with the best.

Widnes achievements in the late 80s-early 90s were down to overspending on players you couldn't afford,it nearly bankrupted your club for good. So it was false success.



What have they done since that era? Nothing. Ok the Northern Rail Cup last year,but its hardly prestigous,particulary compared to the Challenge Cup we won.



We're a bigger club than Widnes,always have been.

Reding this is nice, there are loads of well reasoned comments. If we have to ask the question we already know the answer.



To be honest though, I don't really care. I started watching rugby when saints were in their hey-day and had a lot of saints fans at school who gave me loads of stick. I love Warrington and being a wire, the size or successes of the club will never change that. I started watching them when they were terrible and that's the team I supported from the off.

Really? Fair enough, I'll take your word for it as I've got no idea what this thread is suppose to be debating or proving.



We all play in the same sport. The idea is too win your games, in doing so climb the league table, win trophies and honours. Who does that best changes from one year to the next, hence it been called sport.



This thread is totally pointless.

Seeing as though Saints in recent times have appointed unknowns in McRae and Millward, a fallen Daniel Anderson and a low profile Mick Potter, I'm not sure that's true.



We've never gone for high profile coaches recently, with the possible exception of Hanley who didn't last long.

Yep, me too.



I am a Warrington fan. To me we are always the biggest and the best even when we aren't.



With this modicum of success we've had (more to come we all hope) it has actually made watching us more nervewracking because the results matter more than they used to. Only two or three years ago, if we won it was great; if we didn't, then we thought "Ah well, there's always next week". Now if we lose it feels bad as I worry we might not go on to win a trophy!



Strange times.