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| Was it Higham's fault for carrying on (hint: yes) or maybe Myler's for standing back for the kick?
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| Quote Ferdy="Ferdy"Both try's turned down in the 2nd half for both the Leeds on and the wire one were the correct decision by the letter of the law. But I personally think the laws need looking at and both should have been given'"
that is also my take on both non-trys.
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| Quote ArcticGorilla="ArcticGorilla"The obstruction that never happened I am referring to. Would have liked to see the grounding again though!'"
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| The rule states they had to give no try, I agree with previous comments, i'd like to see a rule where, as soon as the ball makes contact with player/sticks/ground - that should be the point of deciding if the attacking player is within 10.
However, Myler should have got up and played his team on side.
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| Quote Ferdy="Ferdy"Both try's turned down in the 2nd half for both the Leeds on and the wire one were the correct decision by the letter of the law. But I personally think the laws need looking at and both should have been given'"
I agree.
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| I think the ruling for offside in relation to the Higham try is the correct one. It might seem unfair when the player hasn't been involved with the play but I'm pretty sure the reason he can't be within the 10 is because just being in the attacking line provides an advantage.
If there a player who is offside stood in the attacking line the defence has to keep him covered because they won't know he's offside and that can give the attacking team an unfair advantage.
If you imagined it as a 3 on 2 overlap like so:
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With the middle player (#) being offside the attack is gaining an advantage in that situation. I'm pretty sure that's why offside players have to remain outside the 10 metres. They aren't allowed to appear like a possible pass option.
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| Quote Cherry.Pie="Cherry.Pie"I think the ruling for offside in relation to the Higham try is the correct one. It might seem unfair when the player hasn't been involved with the play but I'm pretty sure the reason he can't be within the 10 is because just being in the attacking line provides an advantage.'"
i can see where you're coming from... but surely when the player accused of being offside has absolutely no bearing in the play, then he should be deemed inactive...... football changed their offside rule for this very reason.
seemed like a silly reason to chalk a try off tonight, even if it is the actual ruling.
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| It was a steaming turd of a decision in the sense that Higham in no way interfered with play and it would never ever have been disallowed in a Sunday afternoon game. Unfortunately it was probably correct.
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| Quote mmcdonagh="mmcdonagh"The rule states they had to give no try, I agree with previous comments, i'd like to see a rule where, as soon as the ball makes contact with player/sticks/ground - that should be the point of deciding if the attacking player is within 10.
However, Myler should have got up and played his team on side.'"
Can't see it myself
You'd get players 10/20/30 yards offside from a long kick and if the ball hit the ground and the attacking player is 10 yards from the ball they're onside?
I agree that maybe there should be some common sense approach however this isn't it.
However when considering the common sense approach you have to remember that it's the "offside" players choice to be stood in front, he doesn't have to get himself involved and despite numerous warnings on the run that's what Higham did.
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| Perhaps someone can confirm the actual law involved:
At what instant is a player in front of an attacking kick to be actually given off-side ?
Before watching last night's game, I thought that the instant they would be penalised for off-side is when they were within 10 metres at the point where a defending player touched the ball. As no defending player touched the ball, then I think I must be wrong.
Could it be that they must not be within 10 when a defending player 'challenges for the ball' ? or within 10 when any player from either team touches the ball ? When there is a player in front of the kicker in long kick then kick chase situations you sometimes hear the ref shout 'give him ten' to a player who is clearly within the 10 but is not penalised if they let the player run 10 with ball, this seems to contradict last night's ruling. Ant explanation welcomesd. Ta.
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| Quote 10_15_Merchant="10_15_Merchant"Perhaps someone can confirm the actual law involved:
At what instant is a player in front of an attacking kick to be actually given off-side ?
Before watching last night's game, I thought that the instant they would be penalised for off-side is when they were within 10 metres at the point where a defending player touched the ball. As no defending player touched the ball, then I think I must be wrong.
Could it be that they must not be within 10 when a defending player 'challenges for the ball' ? or within 10 when any player from either team touches the ball ? When there is a player in front of the kicker in long kick then kick chase situations you sometimes hear the ref shout 'give him ten' to a player who is clearly within the 10 but is not penalised if they let the player run 10 with ball, this seems to contradict last night's ruling. Ant explanation welcomesd. Ta.'"
watched a rerun of the game this morning silverwood tells higham hes off side so higham doesnt get involved , if the leeds player had caught the ball would they of recieved a penalty for higham being within the 10 metres doubt it , it was only when leeds cocked up and wire quickly got possesion and scored it became an issue
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"I agree.'"
I haven't seen the BJB obstruction one again yet, but I think the the grounding was well short. Be interesting to see it again.
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