I said I wasnt bothered.

I'm not deluding myself at all I fecking love Rugby League and Love Watching Warringtons brand of Rugby League ...If I wanted to watch a team of $hit oozes lift trophies I'd support Saints



and yes we havent won many prizes but I wouldnt swap watching Alfie Langer over watching a team that had Bobby Goulding and Tommy Martyn in it winning trophies.....



I wouldnt swap that night in 1994 over lifting a league leaders shield to go and toss the big prize away in a final.



only wigan Fans count trophies the rest of us actually remember the Rugby







alas it seems many on this board are infected with Cockitis already.what a bleedin mess

Top four in the league would be a good place to target, but the real improvement we need is to be able to take on sides like Leeds and Saints and beat them.



Getting close and losing every time isn't really getting close, if there's a pattern of defeats.



We won the Challenge Cup this year courtesy of a kind draw, which isn't to say beating Hull KR, Wigan or Hudds was easy, all three of those sides finished above us and none of those games were at the HJ. However if we are to retain the Cup, which is our best chance of winning a trophy again in the near future, we will need to be ready to beat at least one of Leeds or Saints when it counts.



Ironically whilst everybody talks about consistency being our biggest problem over the past few years, what will make a big impact for us is being able to beat top sides when it counts, we beat good sides when it counts this year in the Challenge Cup and it got us a trophy - being able to beat a top team on a one off when it counts either in the CC or the playoffs is what will see us make headway towards the playoffs.



Under coaches like Van de Velde and Cullen, we used to regularly beat top teams (apart from Saints) but it was never in a big pressure cooker game when it counted, apart from when we won at Headingley in 2006.



My biggest hope for us next season is for us to beat a top team in the Challenge Cup. If we put out Leeds or Saints in one of the rounds en route to the final, it will open up the draw and put us in a good position to defend it. If we defended the Challenge Cup it would be a legendary achievement.

Improvement.

If honours and success aren't important to you then that's totally your own prerogative, of course. If someone else wants Wire to win things that doesn't mean they are infected with "cockitis" nor does it mean they are akin to Wigan or Saints fans. It's the standard mindset of every supporter of every team in every sport.



I note from your avatar that you choose an image of Mr Morley with Warrington's latest success. Are you sure you're not bothered about success or deluded in any way?

flying biscuit you're getting carried away, I could understand if we were the great entertainers of rugby league who played with style and lost a la Kevin Keegans Newcastle but over the years we have been error prone and frustrating to watch with the odd bit of flair to keep us going. I'd have taken Tommy Martyn at Wire any day of the week and I'd also have far rather had a backline with guys like Lyon, Gidley, Sullivan and Albert in it.



Id have traded any of them or any of the players we've ever had for the chance to have Hanley, Bell, Edwards and Offiah in primrose and blue.

watching us win makes my beer taste better on a sunday night..and sometimes it goes a long way to completing my bet...when we won at wembley it made my day my wifes day and my kids day and i want more more more...aint that part of the game

We have beaten leeds twice at home in recent years and deserved to win at headingly this year its saints that is our problem, once we beat them we shoudlnt have to wait as many years for a win

The return of 2 pinters....

In the past three seasons we've played Leeds six times, they've won five we've won one when they had a lot of youth teamers out, we had a more even record against them in the years before that but the past three seasons Leeds have accelerated away from us. In that time they've won two Super Leagues and are already minor premiers this year (although no Challenge Cup

). Tony Smith was the man who turned Leeds from the nearly-men to the really-men, so I'm hoping that we can start closing that gap.

But Smith can't coach in SL, hence our tenth placed finish.

Havnt we won twice? Once wen johns was here n the season before/after or is that in the last 4 years

Are you mad woman? Where was you when leeds were getting trophys