Ryan bailey is a Nazi?

TMFMISL maybe, but I can't see him being a fan of Hitler.

I dislike Bailey because of what he gets up to on the field. Am I a racist? If your answer is yes, then you, sir, are an imbecile. Do racists exist? Of course they do, do any follow RL? almost certainly, is the primary cause of Bailey being disliked a manifestation of rampant racism? No.



As far as examples go, one that springs immediately to mind is his childish/pathetic downward swinging arm to attack Chris Riley's head in the last play of the 2010 Challenge Cup final.

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So why isn't Adrian "drink drive then give a false name to the police" Morley widely villified as a thug for his blatant attempt to decapitate Robbie Kearns - not the first or last time in his career either, by some distance?



Why doesn't Barrie McDermott get ridiculed as a thug, a coward and a bottler despite having a much worse disciplinary record than Bailey?



Paul Sculthorpe had a particularly cheap and nasty streak when it came to dishing it out to less experienced opposition players, yet that seems to get quite happily glossed over, Why is that?



There are plenty of players in the history of the game - and running around SL at the moment - who play(ed) the game right on the margins of what's acceptable and what isn't, yet none of those seem to get the same amount of stick Ryan Bailey does.



If it's not because he's black, then the only other reason I can think of is because he and his club have been extremely successsful and it's down to jealousy.



I'll leave you to decide which it is for you.

He is by a lot of people, Morley only has to make contact with a player 1mm above the shoulder these days for people to be outraged and call for a sine die ban because of his past record.







You've got me, as a player I hated McDermott and wasn't unknown for me to call him a dirty ****.







Are you putting words in to my mouth? See my comments re: McDermott. Same goes. I'll forever think that Sculthorpe the player was a dirty cheating scrote, ever since he knocked out Danny Nutley with a shot to the chin, which caused a stoppage of the game for a lengthy period while Danny recovered, only for saints to receive the scrum despite the video replay showing clearly what happened and no punishment being dished out either during or after the game.







lol @ this. You're not even defending Bailey, this argument is along the lines of: "Well he started it miss!". The line "you must be racist if you hate Bailey" is utter, utter, utter, utter b******s. Ben Cockayne gets tons of stick for being a nasty horrible piece of work, too. The widespread rejoice and jeering that went on in the RL community when he lost his job at Hull KR should tell you that. Maybe Ben is of mixed heritage and you can still use your racism excuse for why most people hate him, too? Oh wait, that actually clearly isn't the case.



As for Bailey getting more stick than other players, I'm not entirely sure that's true - there are lots of players who get criticised and/or called names on here, the difference is that single comments turn a small thread in to a 58 page epic every time it happens in Bailey's case because of the Leeds fans being so bloody precious about anybody daring to criticise one of their players.



Now, racism may be prevelant in Leeds and the surrounding areas to the extent that you see it where-ever you look, I don't know, but over here on the enlightened side of the pennines we don't give a **** if somebody's white/black/brown/orange/green/red/blue. Now, if you'd care to answer the question, am I racist because I dislike what Bailey gets up to on the field of play? If your answer is yes, then I suggest you see a psychiatrist to resolve this strange obsession you have.

Really?



How many pages is the thread villifying Ben Westwood for dropping on Brent Webb's head with the forearm up to? Had Bailey done that to Chris Riley, there would be a thread on here a dozen pages long before any Leeds fans had got home from the game.



If you genuinely don't think incidents involving Ryan Bailey get blown out of all proportion by the keyboard warriors on here who are eager to label him a coward and a bottler then you've clearly not been paying attention.



And FYI, I don't believe I actually accused you - or anyone else directly - of being racist.

I missed the forearm incident so I'm not qualified to comment, however, if he did do it and hasn't been punished then the RFL disciplinary is living up to it's reputation of being incompetent (FWIW, as far as I'm concerned Bailey's 3 game ban for pushing the ref out of the way is OTT, a slap on the wrists at the most as far as I'm concerned).



As for if Bailey did it to Riley, he did, in the '10 CCF as I pointed out earlier. I don't recall there being such a massive thread about it though - although I could be wrong, I was in the middle of quite a long hiatus from the site at the time.







What I'm saying is that throwaway comments condemning Bailey for what is mostly niggly play (that should be penalised, but often isn't) themselves get blown out of all proportion. It's unfortunately a self-perpetuating problem. The majority of the threads descend in to not people criticising Bailey, but people arguing amongst themselves as to whether or not they're racist for doing so - this thread is a perfect example of it.







I'm sorry but you can't back out of it that way - It is utterly illogical for you to have the opinion that the majority of criticisms levelled at Bailey are the result of deep rooted racism without implying that the majority of people who have criticised him on these forums are racist.



You are clearly accusing a lot of people who post on here of being racist, since you believe it's a primary reason for it, but you don't dare level it at anyone in particular?

the field. I'll site 2 examples and one rumour.



Example one: Picking up the mighty Kevin brown off the floor, smacking him a couple of times, then running behind the Leeds players when the big boys got involved.



Example Two: Lee Radford pastes Bailey on the floor, Bailey does nothing to retaliate, but instead tries to headbutt the monster of a man that is Sean Long.



Rumour: That Bailey headbutted one of our u20s players after the CC final last year. This has been confirmed by a few players at the club that I happen to know personally, but since there's no evidence it remains just a rumour.



These are just 3 examples as to why I don't like Ryan Bailey - the colour of his skin is not one of them. If this has been done by the oh so white James Graham, I would have the same opinion of him. The fact you bring it up, just shows your own hidden racist agenda.

I see. And do you dislike him more than, say Chris Bridge and Ben Westwood, two players who have recently dropped their forearm onto players? Lots of players get up to lots of things on the field. As I have said, before last year's Huddersfield game Bailey's disciplinary record was cleaner than most players.



So, ask yourself, is your "dislike" of Bailey proportionate to what he really "gets up to" on the field or do you perceive he "gets up to" more than he actually does. Is so, why?



No idea, I've never met you. Are you?



Well it wasn't but your response isn't very intelligent and doesn't really tackle any of the issues I raise so I've formed my own judgment about you. Perhaps it's a prejudiced judgment. People do that, whether they realise it or not, you know.



Yes, they can usually be spotted ranting in a disproportionate manner about Ryan bailey's antics.



If that is your view, then so be it. It isn't mine and had you presented a more cogent counterpoint it might have been.

It's gone down the inevitable route that if you don't like a player and he happens to be black then it's because he's black tosh. Bailey is sly, niggly player that get's into opposition players when winning a penalty, into opposition fans when winning a game. There are lots of players that have been known to put a sly dig in here and there but it's his all round general manner that he goes about his business that i and many people don't like. I would level many the same critisisms at cockayne nobody suggest's it's his colour as the reason people dislike him. The only people displaying any prejudice in this argument are the people that brought up colour in the first place.

Your assumption that I automatically forgive players of my team for misconduct, foul play and thuggery on the field says more about you than it does about me, I'm afraid. Bridge didn't get the ban he deserved, and as I've said elsewhere, I didn't see the Westwood incident so I'm not fit to comment on it, however, if the descriptions from Leeds fans on the matter are accurate, then he should have been given a ban as well.







I believe it is, yes. Notice I'm not calling Bailey a thug, the dirtiest player ever, etc, I merely dislike him.







If I am, and display prejudices freely, then every single person I know and speak to in person is a coward for not challenging me on it. When forming my opinion of someone, the colour of their skin isn't even the last thing that matters to me, it simply isn't a consideration at all. People's characters are displayed in how they behave, not in how they appear.







The issues you raised was a long and rambling, unintelligent diatribe that tried to justify your view that everybody is a racist. You are Agent Provocateur, reincarnate, and I claim my £5.







How droll.







We shall agree to disagree then, however, if you go through life branding everybody you meet a racist because there happens to be one person they dislike who has a different skin tone to them, then fair play to you, I wish you every success in being universally seen as a judgemental troll.