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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Basic kicking rule #3: When leading with seven minutes to go on your deadly rival's turf a kicker must NEVER put the ball (easily) into the hands of the opposition's most elusive broken field runner. '"
Lomax fully realised what he had done the minute he did it. Did you not see his reaction when he missed the tackle on Tomkins? I hope Lomax's confidence does not take too much of a dip as a result of that decision because if he learns from it as he should then he will be a better player for that mistake. It was a very costly mistake but all players make those, inexperienced players in particular. Some of our senior players made equally costly mistakes - Wello dropping the ball with the tryline clear just a couple of yards away; LMS dropping the ball on the tryline; Meli giving away two dumb penalties, one of which led to that forward pass try.
It was a team game: they succeeded or failed as a team. Not all the team were up to scratch yesterday and while numerically it was the forward pass try that won it for Wigan, we had a number of other chances in that match which our experienced players fluffed. No way can we pin this loss on Lomax's mistake alone.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Lomax fully realised what he had done the minute he did it. Did you not see his reaction when he missed the tackle on Tomkins? I hope Lomax's confidence does not take too much of a dip as a result of that decision because if he learns from it as he should then he will be a better player for that mistake. It was a very costly mistake but all players make those, inexperienced players in particular. Some of our senior players made equally costly mistakes - Wello dropping the ball with the tryline clear just a couple of yards away; LMS dropping the ball on the tryline; Meli giving away two dumb penalties, one of which led to that forward pass try.
It was a team game: they succeeded or failed as a team. Not all the team were up to scratch yesterday and while numerically it was the forward pass try that won it for Wigan, we had a number of other chances in that match which our experienced players fluffed. No way can we pin this loss on Lomax's mistake alone.'"
The meli pen that leads to a Wigan try for holding down was harsh. If you watch the game back you'll see Sam Tomkins doing what he does every time he's tackled. He locks his arm on the defender and holds the defender down. This time he used his arm and neck to hold meli down meaning he couldn't get off the little runt!
He does this every time yet the refs still can't see he's doing it.
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| As a kid never forget Alex Murphy scoring in the score board corner in extra time a very debatable try and someone shouted out that was never a dry ref to Eric Clay, only for Murphy to reply read the score in the paper in the morning!
Great game, both sides some weak defence at times, all teams go through times of injury and it is often the inexperienced who rise to the occasion! Monday will be a hard hill to climb, but not impossible.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"It could happen and anything is possible but I think we will defo make the top 8.'"
I think you need to try that one again St Pete .With the young lads Saints have got , try the top 1 - 3
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| Quote Edinburgh Warrior="Edinburgh Warrior"I think you need to try that one again St Pete .With the young lads Saints have got , try the top 1 - 3'"
I think we will make the top 4 even with injuries and capable of finishing top if we get players back.
I was passing comment on someone who said we might not make the top 8 with all the injuries.
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| I am extremeley proud of all 17 players who took the field yesterday it was a truly monsterous effort. Considering the injuries weve got Wellens, Pryce, Eastmond, Perry, Flannery, Clough, Wheeler (just off the top of my head) totals 7 players who where ruled out before the game or where injured during yesterdays match. I am not convinced a number of other players were totally 100% fit yesterday eithier ie Graham. So how on earth anybody on this board can criticise our players after the performance is downright disgraceful. The town of St Helens should be right proud of there players and we can all hold our heads high.
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| the game seemed to change after wheeler was taken out with a late cheap shot, [ nothing new there then And Tomkin's still manages to cheat the penalties out of some dumb ar*e refs with his holding on con jobs, Add to that the blatant forward passes that seem to be the norm these days with these useless officials and its hard to beat a club like the goons, especially with half your squad out injured, having said all that the kids did a great job and Saints will bank their experience up for the next generation of winners. So dont get to cocky Goons your not that good by any stretch of your imagination!!!!!!!!!!!.
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| Quote handrags="handrags"the game seemed to change after wheeler was taken out with a late cheap shot, [ nothing new there then And Tomkin's still manages to cheat the penalties out of some dumb ar*e refs with his holding on con jobs, Add to that the blatant forward passes that seem to be the norm these days with these useless officials and its hard to beat a club like the goons, especially with half your squad out injured, having said all that the kids did a great job and Saints will bank their experience up for the next generation of winners. So dont get to cocky Goons your not that good by any stretch of your imagination!!!!!!!!!!!.'"
Saints can be rightly proud of how well they played considering the injuries you lot have sustained recently. But although Wigan had a more experienced squad, that was a poor Wigan performance for large parts of the game. Neither teams were at their best, Saints because they had players out, Wigan because they aren't playing to their potential at the moment.
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| Far too much being made of Lomax's kick which Tomkins fielded and then ran down field. Sam T was out of position and Lomax too fatigued to beat him to the ball.
The real turning point was the team's or it's captain's decision to go for goal at 22-22.
Wigan were three yards off their own try line and out on their feet. Running it if not getting a try first time could very well have resulted in a repeat set.
As soon as Foster decided to go for goal I knew Wigan had a chance to win the game. Even at 22-24 there was always time.
The Leeds game showed that if Wigan are still in the game they will go for a try with seconds remaining.
Perhaps Graham's talk was to deflect from the mistake he made in taking the wrong option on the penalty with only six mins remaining.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"The Leeds game showed that if Wigan are still in the game they will go for a try with seconds remaining.'"
They were a very long way behind at Leeds though, so they will have taken that approach. They weren't that far behind with us.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"Far too much being made of Lomax's kick which Tomkins fielded and then ran down field. Sam T was out of position and Lomax too fatigued to beat him to the ball.
The real turning point was the team's or it's captain's decision to go for goal at 22-22.
Wigan were three yards off their own try line and out on their feet. Running it if not getting a try first time could very well have resulted in a repeat set.
As soon as Foster decided to go for goal I knew Wigan had a chance to win the game. Even at 22-24 there was always time.
The Leeds game showed that if Wigan are still in the game they will go for a try with seconds remaining.
Perhaps Graham's talk was to deflect from the mistake he made in taking the wrong option on the penalty with only six mins remaining.'"
Don't agree with the comment about it being Grahams fault because we went for 2 points at 22-22.
The kick was poor by lomax but the was also many plays and missed tackles that followed the kick.
It was mistakes by the team and single player.
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| Fair enough we want to debate the game, but there are so many talking points, it's a bit harsh to lay blame all in the hands of one player or one moment.
There was far too many points where we can lay blame. There is more defence of the Hoffman error than there is of Lomax's error. For me the Hoffman error had a bigger over all impact. But there were still oppertunities and turning points.
Even after the Lomax error, there was still the shenton error and the scott moore error etc
As Saint fan said, it was a whole team game and a whole team that lost the game.
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