Your not wrong.



They are their own worst enemies at times.



It would have been fantastic if they had sneaked the win, but with the margin they were losing by, would have been masked.



Least now it highlights that the game wasn't lost in the last minute. It was before then.



Plently of work to do. Also undermines the forward strides we have been taking.



A game against the in form Giants is exactly what we need now. It brought the best out of us at the Galpharm a few weeks back, let's see if the fixture generates a similar performance and result.

YEP.



Was going to post my opinions on this thread, but what is the point?



The most Boring thread in Southstander history is this one.

Where's that then?

Dunno lad, I've only just been let back on, but that Leeds Rhinos Superman lad quoted you as saying it on the last page.

At the risk of interrupting the special needs class having a discussion unrelated to the game I was at the match and you've highlighted the problem. Its' not a new one. Its' one I bemoaned last year whilst our coach was being proclaimed the greatest ever.



We can discuss the quality and depth of our squad, we can discuss team strengthening. All are debatable factors. What is not is that NO TEAM in the league can overcome the hurdles we give ourselves week after week after week.



We give away possession and territory continually at crucial parts of the game.



This current coach doesn't appear to be able to fix it. It seems to be getting worse.



The quality of the team showed for ten or 15 mins yesterday when they eventually threw away the game plan, played some expansive rugby and nearly climbed the mountain they had given themselves to climb.



McLennan is failing and failing badly in one respect. I am not talking about results. I don;t expect wins. We don't have a right to them. I do have the right to expect the coach to deal with this fundamental issue nearly 2 years into his reign.



Sort out the discipline and this squad, with our without signings, can still win the Grand Final. Don't and we won't, with or without signings.

Leeds won the Grand Final last year.







Leeds won the Grand Final last year.









Leeds won the Grand Final last year.







Whilst I broadly agree with your obvious frustration (and it's one I share) if Leeds don't win the Grand Final this year it'll be more because of the non replacement of personnel rather than the continuing ill discipline that didn't prevent Leeds winning the Grand Final last year.

Is it true that it was an extra amount of time spent on the treadmill for anyone guilty of giving needless and stupid pens away under TS' reign?



Good idea.

The discipline didn't seem to reach these levels last year. It did get worse as the year went on and Smith's influence wore off and Bluey's too effect.



If Leeds start winning the penalty count regularly they will win the GF this year as well, btw.

Bluey wouldn't do that to the lads. He's every one's mate. The group of players walking back from the beach to the hotel with him Sunday morning looked like his bosom buddies.

That's quite a big call.

He's editing quotes then.



What a jolly wheeze.

That's a major part of the problem imo,he's one of their mates rather than their boss.

Mind you the majority of this squad are experienced pro's and they should know better because the number of penalties and offence's is amateur so they are as much to blame as the coach but i suppose if the coach isn't gonna punish them for it there's no real deterrent.